Hmm, I think I just found an amazingly easy way to block most of the currently used spambots. Haven't really "tested" it with an actual spambot, but by all means, it should work.

As I've noticed, most of them leave stuff in that starts with <div style="overflow: or <div id="kbekttsomething" style="overflow:, while non-spambot people hardly ever need to do that.

So, if in wiki/index.php, you find the line


and replace it with

if (strpos($_POST['wpTextbox1'], 'style="overflow:') === FALSE) $editor->submit();

and then try editing or creating a new page with the text style="overflow: in it...

Pretty cool, eh? ;)

PS. I also wrote an extra script that logs all such blocks, like this. If you're interested, let me know.

--Justas 09:39, 18 December 2005 (EST)

Seems to be working. Just caught my first spambot in that log I linked to, and no trail on the recent changes or page history. Woo!

--Justas 19:52, 19 December 2005 (EST)

Um...that'd work if <div style = "overflow:..."></div> didn't work. :P (Meaning the spaces between the = and the rest, not the escaped characters), and depending on how smart these spambots become. Until they figure out what you're doing, I suppose this is a workaround for us normal people to continue to use this code.

--pcj - Talk 22:56, 19 December 2005 (EST)

Well, duh, of course it's a cheap workaround ;)

But I reckon it'll take the spambots quite a while to figure out what's wrong and adopt to a measure used only on two wikis at the moment :P

--Justas 06:09, 20 December 2005 (EST)


Can we add the Inputbox extension please? --pcj - Talk 14:43, 12 October 2005 (EDT)

I can see it for News, but what else would it be useful for?


The front page. Something like the Wikinews Main Page in that they can just start a new article. Or like this.

--pcj - Talk 16:33, 13 October 2005 (EDT)

I do see how it could be useful, but I think it's minor.. We already have a "Create it!" link in the search results... -Colin

Fine. *trashes completely new Main Page concept based around input box*

--pcj - Talk 11:39, 14 October 2005 (EDT)

Main Page imageEdit

Can we find a better image for the Front Page? Maybe that Triangle SQ logo, that Sierra had on their page a while ago? The one from the Grey SQ-collection box? E1ven 04:26, 2 Apr 2005 (EST)

I swapped it out, but I'm still not happy with it.. At least it's better, though ;)
E1ven 11:31, 2 Apr 2005 (EST)
Hope you like my changes. Be sure to refresh the Main Page several times to get my meaning
pcj - Talk 10:04, 29 Jun 2005 (EDT)
Heh, I do like it ( does something similar) but I think we probably want to bring that script online to, and draw the images from there..
I'll get that to you later today. GTG for now.
--pcj - Talk 10:13, 29 Jun 2005 (EDT)
We may want to find a way to make the actual images link to the pages though, not just to themselves.. A new user will likely click on the SQ6 box, rather than the text-link.

It's a nice thought, but I'm not certain there's a good way to do it. After looking through Mediawiki for a bit, I came up with this:
Space Quest 0: Replicated

But it's rather clunky, IMHO. (Well, it's not so bad looking on the Classic skin, but the default skin puts the external link arrows next to the image. And the code is icky. And you can't use it in the gallery template.) --Jeysie 11:26, 29 Jun 2005 (EDT) and Gah!

--pcj - Talk 15:27, 29 Jun 2005 (EDT)

Uh, yes, I read both of those pages, thanks, where do you think I got my code from? If you can come up with something better, it would certainly be appreciated.
Space Quest 0: Replicated Pretty much the exact same result. Making the box scans into a redirect wouldn't be a good idea since they're usable on multiple pages. --Jeysie 15:48, 29 Jun 2005 (EDT)

We could use the redirect option if we externally linked to the images on the other pages.
--pcj - Talk 19:23, 29 Jun 2005 (EDT)
A bit hackish, but it works.
--pcj - Talk 14:33, 30 Jun 2005 (EDT)
For the stupid in the audience, can you explain how that's working? You're doing a php page inplace of the image, which is instead returning a whole HTML page?
No, using a Wiki redirect, like #REDIRECT [[:Category:SQ4]]
It helps if you actually read the links I post. ;)
--pcj - Talk 15:11, 30 Jun 2005 (EDT)
Fair enough. I did read the pages you linked, but didn't see that it's a redirect, since the code tweak we made earlier disables the display of "redirected from" most of the time.
If you go to the page directly you can see the redirects. I'm OK with that solution.
E1ven 15:17, 30 Jun 2005 (EDT)
It only disables the display when the redirect goes to outside the current namespace. And it's a good thing that the redirect display is disabled, otherwise it would mess up the layout by displaying the picture as well on the redirect target.
--pcj - Talk 15:27, 30 Jun 2005 (EDT)

I can't access the FTP anymore, Colin. I was going to upload some more pictures, but I can't. :(

--pcj - Talk 00:37, 13 October 2005 (EDT)

General Wiki stuffEdit

There are a whole lot of unused images at The Non-Sierra Space Quest we can hold onto for now.. But the others.. Are people using them? E1ven

After doing a bit of link fixing, I'm not using anything I uploaded. I do know PCJ is using those SQ1 EGA images, though... not sure why they're coming up as unused since they're linked to in the Death List. (Maybe you need to embed an image for it to show up as used, rather than just linking to it? You'll need to watch for that, I think.) --Jeysie 11:41, 29 Jun 2005 (EDT)

I'll set up a Space Quest Omnipedia:Reserved images page where we can specify what images to keep. --pcj - Talk 14:41, 30 Jun 2005 (EDT)

There, that cleaned up things a bit, at least with the ones I uploaded; you may have more yourself.

--pcj - Talk 15:04, 30 Jun 2005 (EDT)

Comment PolicyEdit

By the way, I think that indenting in conversations helps readability.. I mean,

Initial post

Reply to post
Reply to Reply
Repy to initial post
Reply to second reply.
yet another reply to the last comment
And then another reply to the initial post..

It follows the idea of nested comments.. We can do it with : on the first one, :: before the second one, etc..

Am I crazy? Is there a better way to do it? Just writing them flat on one another doesn't seem work well, it gets confusing ;)

Really, I could care less about that. What helps me more than that would is making sure people sign their contributions. It's actually pretty simple. ;)
--pcj - Talk 15:11, 30 Jun 2005 (EDT)

I find the indenting thing harder to read, actually. I certainly find it harder to code, since you have to put the proper number of colons before every single paragraph.

Why not just make judicious use of sections and sub-sections? (That has the added benefit of producing nice, easy-to-navigate Talk Thread TOCs, too.) And if it really matters that you're replying directly to a post, just, you know, put your reply right under the post. ;) (What else can you expect from trying to hold conversations in web software not designed for it? It's like to properly comment in a blog.)

I agree with PCJ's always signing posts bit, BTW. --Jeysie 15:22, 30 Jun 2005 (EDT)

Alright, I'll concede.. If the two of you don't like it, I'll stop trying. E1ven

Yay! ;)

--pcj - Talk 15:40, 30 Jun 2005 (EDT)

Game Box imagesEdit

There is an image for SQ0 (follow the link to see it) game box. I suggest we use it on the front page? --Lendorien 19:06, 18 Jul 2005 (EDT)

You've got my OK, for what it's worth. But try it on the page first, just to be sure... E1ven 22:30, 18 Jul 2005 (EDT)

Could someone create templates for the image boxes on the main page? It would be a lot clearer if we did that, and less unfriendly for n00bs. E1ven

Also, Pcj, could you possibly create more of the frontpage pictures? I'd love to have a whole big set of them.

E1ven 04:55, 25 Jul 2005 (EDT)

They're already templated, about as much as we can...

And I'd love to make more of those pictures, but the pictures that they can be made have to have certain qualities about them...I'm having trouble finding any more. Let me know if you see any.

--pcj - Talk 07:51, 25 Jul 2005 (EDT)

The gallery is, but what about stuff like

{| cellspacing="8" |- valign="top" |width="10%"| <div style="padding: .4em .9em .9em"> </div> |width="60%"| <div style="clear: right; text-align: left; float: left; padding: .4em .9em .9em">

in the boxes?

And we could, in theory, template the boxes Gallery more, if we got rid of the adjustable hights, and made one template for Bluebox, and one for grey box, etc... Then it would look much prettier ;)

Then again, it'd suck architectually. E1ven 08:26, 25 Jul 2005 (EDT)

Yeah, we could template the title picture, but that's not used on any other pages, so a template would be a bit ridiculous.

Also, we could just put the whole page in a template, but then you just have to edit the template if you want to make any changes.

--pcj - Talk 09:06, 25 Jul 2005 (EDT)

Actually, thats not such a silly idea. Template the entire page, which would just leave the actual text here to be edited, hiding all the complicated coding. It would reduce the chance of any accidental mess-ups, and make it a lot more user friendly.

--Jibbles 09:13, 25 Jul 2005 (EDT)

Well, sometimes if you change the text, you also have to change the you'd still have to change the template.

--pcj - Talk 23:04, 25 Jul 2005 (EDT)

Does anyone else think that this would be funnier to use instead of the unknown picture:

--Jibbles 04:21, 7 Aug 2005 (EDT)

Heh. Funny, certainly. But probably confusing. Perhaps if we add a big question mark on it or something to make it clearer.

--Justas 05:46, 7 Aug 2005 (EDT)

Whatabout this (or something similar)


Heh, maybe indeed.

--Justas 07:00, 7 Aug 2005 (EDT)

Hmm, another thing... I was introducing someone to SQ today and pointed him towards the Omnipedia to check out some info on the games... and then noticed that for a newbie, there's no clear way of telling which of the games are original and which are fanmade at first. Of course, the information is there when they open the separate pages for each, but it might be better if we just somehow marked fangames in there so they could get a better overall picture.

--Justas 17:11, 7 Aug 2005 (EDT)

Please don't sue that image for SQ7. It implies that we're X-box, the graphcis are sub-par, and I don't want it associated with us ;)

E1ven 17:53, 8 Aug 2005 (EDT)

Sorry, changed it.

--Jibbles 18:01, 8 Aug 2005 (EDT)

Several of the game box images are the full-sized 200-300 KB versions shrinked down with HTML, making the front page a >1MB load. A killer for dial-up visitors and the SQ7 bandwidth. Could use a workaround if anyone can be arsed to ;)

--Justas 14:00, 15 October 2005 (EDT)

That's why I need the Inputbox extension; I have a reworking of the Main Page in mind, but it requires the Inputbox.

--pcj - Talk 22:07, 15 October 2005 (EDT)

Let's talk more about how that main page redesign would work. I'm not opposed to fixing the main page images. I may try manually creating smaller files, and uploading those. I know it's not the cleanest, but it'd work. Can we use mediawiki's built in re-sizing capability? Does Gallery conflict with that? Hrmm... I'll think on it. I'd love to hear more about your idea.

e1ven 14:20, 17 October 2005 (EDT)

I have optimized the images. However, the Main Page has not been changed.

--pcj - Talk 19:26, 17 October 2005 (EDT)

Main Page revisioning Edit

Please lock the main page for editing so that only registered users can edit it. Thanks.

--pcj - Talk 19:04, 11 November 2005 (EST)

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